tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3395389247095233215.post2988783695223123250..comments2023-08-01T05:29:16.564-07:00Comments on Rodger's Writing: Electric Vehicles Vs Internal Combusion Engine: Total Cost Of CO2Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3395389247095233215.post-37632731339911208492014-01-14T05:21:43.748-08:002014-01-14T05:21:43.748-08:00Terry,
We have a 2007 Camry Hybrid with 140,000 m...Terry,<br /><br />We have a 2007 Camry Hybrid with 140,000 miles and the batteries have shown no sign of failure whatsoever. Also, the difference in our gasoline consumption from our first Camry has averaged over 10 mpg improvement. With our vehicle use, we recovered our cost differential in four years.Cranston Snordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218130230174031747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3395389247095233215.post-47905929792785072502012-10-06T23:14:04.620-07:002012-10-06T23:14:04.620-07:00HI Terry,
You can calculate:
Direct to Direct ...HI Terry, <br /><br />You can calculate: <br /><br />Direct to Direct costs <br />Indirect to Indirect<br />Full life cycle to full life cycle.<br /><br />And measure one of: energy, dollars, CO2, or something else.<br /><br />In this particular post I was measuring CO2 in pounds and tons. Not currency. <br /><br />What bothers me is when so many suddenly question indirect costs for EVs. But never for the ICE. It's a double standard. <br /><br />Just what are the "indirect" costs for oil changes over the life of the ICE? And radiator changes? And timing belt replacements? In dollars? Indirect costs of CO2? Energy? The numbers please. Not idealogy. <br /><br />I've run other numbers on dollars at: <br />http://rodgerswriting.blogspot.com/2012/06/vehicle-lifetime-cost-of-energy.html<br /><br />And costs on the battery at: Hummer Vs Prius<br />http://rodgerswriting.blogspot.com/2012/06/hummer-versus-prius.html<br /><br />I question a lot of the "numbers" coming out of magazines. Many of them are way, way off. Saying that EVs are only slightly better than ICE. But it's not true. Where did they get their numbers, and how did they calculate them? They don't say. Nor do they answer when I ask. <br /><br />Check this review. It's the first I've seen to consider EV vs ICE in energy efficiency: <br />http://www.businessinsider.com/energy-efficient-cars-2012-10<br />The top 5 are all EVs. Cool! <br /><br />R.<br />Rodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13977796396343653710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3395389247095233215.post-27294524399846764112012-09-12T21:12:38.006-07:002012-09-12T21:12:38.006-07:00I'd like to see energy and cost figures for th...I'd like to see energy and cost figures for the entire cars. It seems to me that the cost to manufacture the batteries used in plug in and hybrid vehicles is substantial in both energy use, cost, and impact to the environment (both when constructed and when they need to be disposed of). Also, an ICE car will go 200k miles without a rebuild, but I believe that the batteries need to be replaced at around 100k miles. The battery replacement is frequently glossed over both as an additional cost of ownership and cost to the environment. <br /><br />Car and Driver (I believe) did a comparison of the total cost of ownership of a hybrid versus a ICE some years ago (they used the Toyota Echo and Prius as the basis for comparison). My recollection is that it would take more than eleven years of ownership based on $5/gal of gas before the hybrid became less expensive. <br /><br />Have you seen any data / sources to help me with my quest? <br /><br />TerryTerryTCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18333407480888086511noreply@blogger.com